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Re: Question for Jason Horton

Hello Macintorch,

Thanks for asking before posting. I must admit that I
don't completely understand the question because I don't
see why you would need to mention illegal software in
order to
"<font color="#0000FF">recommend groups of software which work well in tandem, as well as some software modification techniques (using ResEdit 2.1.3 to change icons, delete pop-up windows, etc)</font>"

The general idea is that it is very bad for this site if
it is perceived as supporting illegal software in any
way. As you know we do allow debate on the subject but
we don't allow people to post messages on how to obtain
or distribute illegal software.

I would suggest you use your judgement, post the message,
and then email me and I'll check to see if it's okay.

General rant mode on....

Many people have previously posted messages how they're
not hurting the big software companies by using crackz.
However when it comes to music software it is mostly
smaller businesses and self employed people who are
effected, I talk with software producers every day and
I know of many people who have lost their income as a
direct result of trade in illegal software.

BTW - there are no billion dollar music software companies.

Jason.

A strange place to find the rantings and ravings of Macintorch

Some of what I'm about to say is going to sound far-fetched and certainly way off the main point, but that is because I am merely using the initial question and answer as a sprinboard to discuss more philosophically heavy and futuristic ideas. Rebutters: you have been forewarned.

Jason, thanks for your reply. I had no intention of discussing anything illegal--that's not my style, and i don't deal with illegal software. In the U.S. the laws do lag behind the technology, however, and I am not a copyright/trademark lawyer. There's always that issue of educational and private archival purposes and rot like that. Well, I guess I'll back off the general topic. No one is ever interested much in my technical suggestions that I'm aware of anyhow, regardless of what tools I use or who invented the theory behind their use.

ResEdit and MacsBug and RegEdit and ScanReg and the like are not exactly hackware, so I didn't think it would be bad to talk about their use. It's just that some of the techniques that can be applied to optimizing an operating system or program derive from cracking (and sometime hacking) techniques.

I just wanted to ask first, before I potentially got into any gray areas. It's all machinery, so to a mechanic, it's a bit less natural to look away from the innards of a working solution. I am replying to you, Mr. Horton, but really the bulk of this message is for everyone and anyone else reading this now or in the future.

Politically speaking, it's ironic how some software companies disseminate software that either by function or accident acts no different from a computer virus/trojan horse--and they are not vilified but rewarded. Meanwhile, some clever remote innovators find ways of improving and changing and circumventing all kinds of things. They never get the credit or respect they deserve.

I am not a hacker, nor cracker, nor phreaker, nor programmer, but I'm no fool, either.
You'll never find me at a DefCon convention for security or for hacking. Still, advanced computer technology is founded on hacking and cracking and otherwise reverse engineering and customizing. I don't believe in theft, but I don't believe in ignoring historical truths either.

I'm not implying that you or anyone else at hitsquad is doing anything wrong, so please do not take offense. I am merely stating the ironic.

Overall, it makes sense for me to redirect my potential technical discussions elsewhere, since most folks would rather buy a new PC to run audio software than fix up an old one.

It's funny though. The Mac PowerPC innovation was based upon the invention of a particular DSP chipsystem which was inherently and purposefully designed for audio and modem processing. The PowerPC revolution ushered in the age of multimedia computing in a more mainstream manner than the Commodore Amiga originally did, but no one ever talks about that kind of thing. Of course, Amigas multitasking/coprocessing functions are similarly based upon multimedia AV specialization hardware which revolutionized the computer industry. Finally, people are talking about dual CPU systems again, as if it's a new thing. It's really all due to some old Lone Gunmen hackers who fucked around with their old Amigas alot. Those original technical inventors have much more in common with Cult of the Dead Cow (which someone reminded about again on this site recently) than with anything or anyone else.

I guess I'm always thirsty to discuss the raw technical side of things because I see that as the fraternal twin to the creative, musical side. We would have no MP3 technology if those old hacks hadn't been fussing around so hard with MODs. We wouldn't have any video editing stuff if it weren't for those original screensaver demos designed by hackers showing off their new tricks.

Indeed, it's just so ironic that the discussion of risque' hacking and cracking is now forbidden on the internet even though there would not be an internet if it weren't for all the hacks. Much like how a vocoder is a peaceful musical hack for a war tool, the entire internet is kind of a hack of the academic/military/research science net that preceded it.

Just for the record, Cult of the Dead Cow helped stand down the nuclear confrontation between Pakistan and India because they successfully hacked into some government military computers with messages about the futility and destruction of war and how it has not solved anything for the nations who first acquired nuclear weapons. The Cults influence was felt, because at least one of the governments initiated the withdrawal of their computer systems from the net. A wise choice in the digital hairtrigger age. So hackers are not necessarily enemies of world peace at times.

I do not congregate with hackers, and that is what makes my position somewhat unusual. I almost became one, but my interests led me more into making music than trying to knock down servers or interconnect them.
I'm not very good at communnicating my intentions or my full perspective, but my general goal is to provide somewhat of a voice for a dying clan, even though I am not fully a member of that dying clan.

Most people today are used to relating to computers as helpless consumers. It is important for us all to be reminded that it is always within our grasp to take control of them again for ourselves so that we use them, and not the other way around. It seems like computers are evolving into televisions while televisions are evolving into computers. The advantages of both are being lost in the process. TV's are gradually becoming immune to being turned off and are no longer one-way recievers.

Computers and the internet used to be more an arena for experimentation, scientific sharing, and innovation. Now computing has become a vehicle for marketing, surveillance, child pornography, misinformation, hategroups, and general cookie-cutter conformity and automated exploitation. I hope anyone reading this takes a moment to appreciate this. The "dark net" of cracks and tweeks is immensely more peaceful and organized and benevolent and creative than most folks imagine.

To censor the net of us is to censor the roots of computer science progress. Most hackers and crackers have somewhat of a code of honour, and contemporary anthropologists have pointed out that such online communities are the last bastions of gift cultures now that most tribal societies have been wiped out by imperialism.

I consider the interactive discussion aspects of hitsquad also to be one of the last bastions of positive internet culture as well. That is why I come here regularly. No one should ever have to "register" just to share an anonymous opinion in a free forum of information sharing. Why should we be forced to mark ourselves like cattle when the whole purpose of an anonymous public forum is to encourage a more uninhibited and free-flowing sharing of progressive ideas.

Sure this site is just about music, and so much about politics, but it all washes together in the end. In these days of increased surveillance and paranoia, I have been looking slightly ahead in terms of considering the future politicalization of music technology. As I have said before, there may come a time when steganography is the last form of uncensored, uninhibited information exchange. I do not want to inadvertently protect "terrorists", but I do not want a re-enactment of Nazi Europe, either. Since many people do not even know or remember what a vinyl LP is, it's not so hard to believe that other aspects of history are forgotten as well. Since we live in a digital age now, I have a more digital approach to history. And I see music technology as being at the forefront of the information age. It just hasn't gotten past it's puberty stage yet. At least in the public. But, as I pointed out in a recent post, our governments are using advanced audio (and other digital waveform) technologies to scan, analyze, process, and arm.

The human brain still excells at pattern recognition, particularly with respect to audio. It also excells at data compression, particularly with respect to both audio and memory. Really, the study of recording is a lot like the study of memory, and the study of audio is a lot like the study of pattern recognition. If us regular citizens don't give some effort to understand these technologies, then we won't be prepared to defend ourselves if (and when) they are used against us.

Many people do not think that we live in a time of corruption, coercion, deception, and impending fascism, but I think that we do. It's important to plant those seeds of understanding in young minds, because they don't have hippy parents or holocaust-surviving grandparents to tell them what they need to know.

Sure, the modern world is lots of fun... it's a toystore and a dating game and a restaurant and a fashion show all at the same time. But it is also a prison and a cesspool. Negative things can be transmuted into positive things, but positive things can also be transmuted into negative things.

The skeptic always plays Cassandra, who is always discredited and disbelieved, but Cassandra has this nasty habit of predicting the future.

Re: A strange place to find the rantings and ravings of Macintor

Thank you for a good read - I agree with much of what
you said.

If you want to talk about the power of ResEdit and
MacsBug and RegEdit and ScanReg and how people can
vastly improve their systems then please go ahead,
just please don't point out how the dark side of the
force might use them.

If only the US Navy would release some of their amazing
audio processing software the world of music would be
taken to a higher E.C.H.E.L.O.N.:)

Ironically yours,
Jason.

Re: A strange place to find the rantings and ravings of Macintor

I apologize for going somewhat full-throttle on my last bit. Thanks for noting the good parts of what I said. And yeah, I'd rather see sonar technology used for developing hetereodyne loudspeakers than for boiling away coral reefs in search of the latest border clash.

nevertheless, i'm going to take another siesta from hitsquad for a while. i spend much time writing when i should be doing other things.

Re: A strange place to find the rantings and ravings of Macintor

Largely agreed. How long before <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/camerashy/">this tool</a> gets demonizeded by the mainstream?

I'll keep this short. A bit off topic really...

: Some of what I'm about to say is going to sound far-fetched and certainly way off the main point, but that is because I am merely using the initial question and answer as a sprinboard to discuss more philosophically heavy and futuristic ideas. Rebutters: you have been forewarned.

: Jason, thanks for your reply. I had no intention of discussing anything illegal--that's not my style, and i don't deal with illegal software. In the U.S. the laws do lag behind the technology, however, and I am not a copyright/trademark lawyer. There's always that issue of educational and private archival purposes and rot like that. Well, I guess I'll back off the general topic. No one is ever interested much in my technical suggestions that I'm aware of anyhow, regardless of what tools I use or who invented the theory behind their use.

: ResEdit and MacsBug and RegEdit and ScanReg and the like are not exactly hackware, so I didn't think it would be bad to talk about their use. It's just that some of the techniques that can be applied to optimizing an operating system or program derive from cracking (and sometime hacking) techniques.

: I just wanted to ask first, before I potentially got into any gray areas. It's all machinery, so to a mechanic, it's a bit less natural to look away from the innards of a working solution. I am replying to you, Mr. Horton, but really the bulk of this message is for everyone and anyone else reading this now or in the future.

: Politically speaking, it's ironic how some software companies disseminate software that either by function or accident acts no different from a computer virus/trojan horse--and they are not vilified but rewarded. Meanwhile, some clever remote innovators find ways of improving and changing and circumventing all kinds of things. They never get the credit or respect they deserve.

: I am not a hacker, nor cracker, nor phreaker, nor programmer, but I'm no fool, either.
: You'll never find me at a DefCon convention for security or for hacking. Still, advanced computer technology is founded on hacking and cracking and otherwise reverse engineering and customizing. I don't believe in theft, but I don't believe in ignoring historical truths either.

: I'm not implying that you or anyone else at hitsquad is doing anything wrong, so please do not take offense. I am merely stating the ironic.

: Overall, it makes sense for me to redirect my potential technical discussions elsewhere, since most folks would rather buy a new PC to run audio software than fix up an old one.

: It's funny though. The Mac PowerPC innovation was based upon the invention of a particular DSP chipsystem which was inherently and purposefully designed for audio and modem processing. The PowerPC revolution ushered in the age of multimedia computing in a more mainstream manner than the Commodore Amiga originally did, but no one ever talks about that kind of thing. Of course, Amigas multitasking/coprocessing functions are similarly based upon multimedia AV specialization hardware which revolutionized the computer industry. Finally, people are talking about dual CPU systems again, as if it's a new thing. It's really all due to some old Lone Gunmen hackers who fucked around with their old Amigas alot. Those original technical inventors have much more in common with Cult of the Dead Cow (which someone reminded about again on this site recently) than with anything or anyone else.

: I guess I'm always thirsty to discuss the raw technical side of things because I see that as the fraternal twin to the creative, musical side. We would have no MP3 technology if those old hacks hadn't been fussing around so hard with MODs. We wouldn't have any video editing stuff if it weren't for those original screensaver demos designed by hackers showing off their new tricks.

: Indeed, it's just so ironic that the discussion of risque' hacking and cracking is now forbidden on the internet even though there would not be an internet if it weren't for all the hacks. Much like how a vocoder is a peaceful musical hack for a war tool, the entire internet is kind of a hack of the academic/military/research science net that preceded it.

: Just for the record, Cult of the Dead Cow helped stand down the nuclear confrontation between Pakistan and India because they successfully hacked into some government military computers with messages about the futility and destruction of war and how it has not solved anything for the nations who first acquired nuclear weapons. The Cults influence was felt, because at least one of the governments initiated the withdrawal of their computer systems from the net. A wise choice in the digital hairtrigger age. So hackers are not necessarily enemies of world peace at times.

: I do not congregate with hackers, and that is what makes my position somewhat unusual. I almost became one, but my interests led me more into making music than trying to knock down servers or interconnect them.
: I'm not very good at communnicating my intentions or my full perspective, but my general goal is to provide somewhat of a voice for a dying clan, even though I am not fully a member of that dying clan.

: Most people today are used to relating to computers as helpless consumers. It is important for us all to be reminded that it is always within our grasp to take control of them again for ourselves so that we use them, and not the other way around. It seems like computers are evolving into televisions while televisions are evolving into computers. The advantages of both are being lost in the process. TV's are gradually becoming immune to being turned off and are no longer one-way recievers.

: Computers and the internet used to be more an arena for experimentation, scientific sharing, and innovation. Now computing has become a vehicle for marketing, surveillance, child pornography, misinformation, hategroups, and general cookie-cutter conformity and automated exploitation. I hope anyone reading this takes a moment to appreciate this. The "dark net" of cracks and tweeks is immensely more peaceful and organized and benevolent and creative than most folks imagine.

: To censor the net of us is to censor the roots of computer science progress. Most hackers and crackers have somewhat of a code of honour, and contemporary anthropologists have pointed out that such online communities are the last bastions of gift cultures now that most tribal societies have been wiped out by imperialism.

: I consider the interactive discussion aspects of hitsquad also to be one of the last bastions of positive internet culture as well. That is why I come here regularly. No one should ever have to "register" just to share an anonymous opinion in a free forum of information sharing. Why should we be forced to mark ourselves like cattle when the whole purpose of an anonymous public forum is to encourage a more uninhibited and free-flowing sharing of progressive ideas.

: Sure this site is just about music, and so much about politics, but it all washes together in the end. In these days of increased surveillance and paranoia, I have been looking slightly ahead in terms of considering the future politicalization of music technology. As I have said before, there may come a time when steganography is the last form of uncensored, uninhibited information exchange. I do not want to inadvertently protect "terrorists", but I do not want a re-enactment of Nazi Europe, either. Since many people do not even know or remember what a vinyl LP is, it's not so hard to believe that other aspects of history are forgotten as well. Since we live in a digital age now, I have a more digital approach to history. And I see music technology as being at the forefront of the information age. It just hasn't gotten past it's puberty stage yet. At least in the public. But, as I pointed out in a recent post, our governments are using advanced audio (and other digital waveform) technologies to scan, analyze, process, and arm.

: The human brain still excells at pattern recognition, particularly with respect to audio. It also excells at data compression, particularly with respect to both audio and memory. Really, the study of recording is a lot like the study of memory, and the study of audio is a lot like the study of pattern recognition. If us regular citizens don't give some effort to understand these technologies, then we won't be prepared to defend ourselves if (and when) they are used against us.

: Many people do not think that we live in a time of corruption, coercion, deception, and impending fascism, but I think that we do. It's important to plant those seeds of understanding in young minds, because they don't have hippy parents or holocaust-surviving grandparents to tell them what they need to know.

: Sure, the modern world is lots of fun... it's a toystore and a dating game and a restaurant and a fashion show all at the same time. But it is also a prison and a cesspool. Negative things can be transmuted into positive things, but positive things can also be transmuted into negative things.

: The skeptic always plays Cassandra, who is always discredited and disbelieved, but Cassandra has this nasty habit of predicting the future.

CS

hmmm thanks. very interesting. i find it oxymoronic that it's based upon IE though. maybe i'm missing the point of it, who would want to search for "decrypted" pages? Why not search for <b>encrypted</b> content and stream it decrypted to the browser interface? Is that what it does? Or, is there much more interesting and legal information on decrypted pages?

Well, this is a good time to mention that modern DES encryption was basically invented by the NSA, so it's not really secure in the strict cryptological sense.

The only secure forms of cryptography are the One Time Pad, Steganography, and some forms of the Zero-Knowledge Proof. Most of these aren't reliable unless you combine the three in the correct manner.

Philosphically speaking, however, a common vocabulary isn't needed for communication. Given individuals who have shared a common experience, a language can be spontaneously synthesized by virtue of the fact that in their minds will be the individual memories and understanding of the experience.

For example, if both you and I had ever experienced water-skiing, then to communicate to you about water skiing, I would only need to present to you a collection of sensory or conceptual data that are reminiscient of waterskiing directly or indirectly.

Some of this is why people are able to communicate with pets. At the core of interspecies semiotics/communication is the principle set of rules that would help govern a spontaneous enciphering protocol. The effectiveness of such a protocol is another issue entirely, but it would be interesting to see how well people who didn't speak the same native languages could communicate via spontaneous encryption of this sort if they absolutely had to. I'll bet no one is doing research on this except for some loners in the NSA and company.

can I suppress voice on a music CD to create a Karaoke CD using

I was wondering if any of you know how to create Karaoke CD out of audio CDs or mp3 file by editing the songs using any available software ( freeware).

Please suggest any software packages that provide this functionality.

Thanks
-Pani

Re: can I suppress voice on a music CD to create a Karaoke CD us

You'd be lucky to find software for this purpose that is Freeware but if you look in the KARAOKE category of this site you might find something there.../I think there is a karaoke section..?/ Have a look from the front page anyway..

: I was wondering if any of you know how to create Karaoke CD out of audio CDs or mp3 file by editing the songs using any available software ( freeware).

: Please suggest any software packages that provide this functionality.

: Thanks
: -Pani

Problems with Reason

When I'm using Reason there is a very noticable delay between a key on my midi keyboard being pressed and the sound being generated. I've tried adjusting the latency but this makes no difference, does anyone know how to cure this?

Plus, when playing back a track it skips and jumps, like a CD does when disturbed, whats going on???

Re: Problems with Reason

hi, check out, http://www.kxproject.com/ this is about drivers for the sblive, I haven't tried them though, as it says you lose the four speaker or EAX bit (they haven't built drivers for that part yet)

Re: Problems with Reason

be careful though as well because some people find it difficult connecting REASON to cubase when using the drivers I mentioned above.

Re: Problems with Reason

What system are you running it on? (CPU, RAM etc)

Lister

Re: Problems with Reason

PC :
256MB Ram.
40GB Hard Drive.
SBLive! 5.1 Platinum Sound.
Windows 2000 sp2.

Keyboard :
Evolution MK249c, connected via the USB port (getting it to work in Win2000 was a challenge in itself!)

Re: Problems with Reason

It appears that the problem lies with the drivers for the Soundblaster Live! 5.1 card, and until Creative do something, there isn't a lot you can do (short of getting a different card). I run Reason 2 under Windows 98 with the Videologic SonicFury (Turtle Beach Santa Cruz), and have no problems with latency.

Lister

Nero Help

I've got a legit version of Nero, bought last month, and I've burnt CDs. But I want to normalize my tracks from within Nero and I cannot figure out how to do this. I've searched on the web and tried the help function, but to no avail.

Any ideas?
Al

getting started, where do i start?

i wanted to try my hands on creating digital music. I was wondering what are some basic programs that I can use. if anyone can help me i'd really appreciate it thanks!

Koan Pro 2.7

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Re: Koan Pro 2.7

This is not a good place to look for serial numbers, as this is not a crack/serial site. In fact, discussion of this is verboten (forbidden) here.

necesito un manual en español de cubase

necesito un manual de cubase vst en español

Re: necesito un manual en español de cubase

: necesito un manual de cubase vst en español

necesito los siguientes manuales:
Windows XP
Word, Excel, power point, access, publisher, outlook todo en version 2000

corel 10
photoshop 6 o 7
Freehad 9 o 10

Looking For the Pro Music Maker!

I'm looking for a Professional music maker.. Like Magix Music Maker or Sonic Acid Pro, but then a program REAL professionals use, not the commercial shit! I know there is stuff like that!
Can anyone help me with it???
thanx
Zaz

Re: Looking For the Pro Music Maker!

A lot of 'professionals' use Acid Pro.

: I'm looking for a Professional music maker.. Like Magix Music Maker or Sonic Acid Pro, but then a program REAL professionals use, not the commercial shit! I know there is stuff like that!
: Can anyone help me with it???
: thanx
: Zaz

Need to convert SVQ files (Roland XP80) to midi (on P.C)

How can I use my PC to hear SVQ files from a Roland XP80 ?

Re: Need to convert SVQ files (Roland XP80) to midi (on P.C)

: How can I use my PC to hear SVQ files from a Roland XP80 ?

Re: Need to convert SVQ files (Roland XP80) to midi (on P.C)

I have sequences in svq and I want to happen to midi so that they are listened to in a PC with the package cakewall or a secuenciador Mc-50 the Roland

Re: Need to convert SVQ files (Roland XP80) to midi (on P.C)

: How can I use my PC to hear SVQ files from a Roland XP80 ?

You can convert mp3 files to .svq in real jukebox.

Re:SVQ files

: Where can I find svq files to use in my roland xp 80 ?

OtsJuke without registration notice

[The body of this post has been reconstituted from replies so it may differ from what was originally written.]

Does anyone know how to get a cracked version of OtsJuke??? J-Cob

Re: OtsJuke without registration notice

Yeah, buy it on CD and then take to it with a hammer. It will be well and truely cracked after that.

: Does anyone know how to get a cracked version of OtsJuke??? J-Cob

i need help getting a motu 828 in sync with sonar 2.0, HELP!!

when i arm a track in sonar, and speak into the mic there's a delay. now i need to eliminate that delay in order to lay something down and then record another track over it. i dont know if its the problem but i dont know how to slave either thing to a timecode. please help, im dying here!

Delay, delay, and yes,.... delay.

First point: BUFFER = DELAY. Remember this.
Second point: BUFFER = CUSHION. This is why buffers cannot always be eliminated.

I noticed your mention of timecode issues. Timecode sort of implies SMPTE timecode to me, which is not something that you necessarily need to investigate unless you are doing video editing.

If you are using a MIDI timecode, however, this could be the source of the problem. MTC (MIDI time code), and MMC (MIDI machine code) and SPP (Song position pointer) all tend to be slow compared with SMPTE and other techniques. MIDI sync could possibly be slower if you are transmitting SysEx signals or if you have configured what is called PRE-ROLL. PRE-ROLL is an intentional delay which some people like if they need extra time added to the start of playback in order to count extra measures or whatever. PRE-ROLL is also sometimes used to create a delay if the system is struggling to keep up with reading data off of the drives in time to play them back. For you, this is maybe just one more possible delay source.

ADAT, SPDIF and/or AES/EBU digital outputs can be used as sync signals, even though they are primarily used to send digital audio. "Word clock", or "word sync", sounds abstract, but can apply to digital output signals as well. Basically, the part of a digital output stream that indicates the start and end of "words" indicates a timing scheme, because each "word" is a sample or pair of samples. So, if the sample rate is known, 48kHz for example, then that information can be used with the "word" timestamps to indicate to the system the exact timing of things as they happen. It's somewhat like a parity bit in a modem signal, or the header byte in a MIDI signal.

I bring this up, because I suspect that the delay is something that can only be reduced, but not eliminated. If it can be modified at all, it will be the the form of a buffer setting, or driver latency setting, usually in milliseconds. Further delays are introduced by plug-ins and native (built-in) reverb/chorus/etc.

On way to help reduce delays is to turn off and disable (or delete) any and all audio or MIDI tracks that are not in use. If you can't delete or disable a track, if you can mute it, that might help too.

Some buffering in audio mulitracking programs is there only to make the mouse respond faster visually. These kinds of buffers are not as critical to recording, because they don't actually help the audio signal avoid clicks or anything, they just have to do with interactive use.

The number of buffers is just as important as the size of those buffers. One can usually afford to delete buffers if the remaining buffer(s) is(/are) just large enough to prevent audible glitching. Conversely, one can afford to shrink the buffer(s) as long as there are enough of them to keep the system running reasonably (even if it means you only keep one buffer).

The other funny thing about buffers is that more than one software component might be using one. you might have extra buffers provided by the software. Hardware drivers have buffers normally, but sometimes even the multitracking programs add their own buffering options.

Some programs allow RAM buffering to be reduced of eliminated by providing a "direct to disk" or "direct volume write" mode which is often actually handled by the computer operating system rather than bu the audio software itself. Direct-to-disk writing is quite often the way to go, as it is not so dependent upon RAM use, but it carries some risks. By writing directly to the disk, any serious errors in processing are likely to result in a corrupted disk/drive/volume. This is especially true if your system crashes during a direct write. The reason for this has a lot to do with delays. If your computer were to crash during a delay, it's less likely that damages would be written to disk. However, in direct mode, the disk writing might be happening quite rapidly and often (unless a huge disk cache setting is in effect in the operating system).

Last but not least, if you cannot eliminate the delays, you can at least try to change the monitoring mode. Some soundcards and external audio hardware devices allow for monitoring settings to be changed to allow exactly what you need---zero-latency monitoring. On some systems this is called INPUT MONITORING as opposed to SYNC MONITORING. The difference is that sync monitoring lets you hear what is just got written to disk (or a RAM buffer), while input monitoring lets you hear exactly what's coming right into the machine.

I hope that I haven't made this too confusing.

Good luck troubleshooting. Sounds like you need to get your hands on the Mark of The Unicorn 828 manual.

Oh, I almost forgot: Some drivers have a setting for changing the order of which is triggered first during overdubbing, recording or playback. Sometimes switching the order can help prevent delays. Also, sometimes there is a setting for how many audio channels to enable for recording during overdubbing. This is probably very rare, but I can imagine it being some kind of specialized sub-option of selecting a DUPLEX mode. FULL-DUPLEX allows recording while playback, which is absolutely needed for overdubbing, but on a complex system like the MOTU, there might be even more flavors of FULL-DUPLEX: maybe you can select the number of FULL-DUPLEX channels.

amen.

Y' know... I was gonna end this message here, but then I got another idea of a kind of poor-man's overdubbing solution.

You can do some overdubbing without even having synchronization. As long as all of your recorded tracks have the same starting mark and can be lined up in an editor or on the multitrack, then you dont even need to record them all at the same time. In video/film, this is done with the "2-BEEP", or with a "SLATE". Basically, this is a process of manually marking the first moments of all tracks with a gridmarking of sorts. It's kinda like painting a stripe across the front ends of a stack of wood planks. With that stripe, you can line them up in parallel again.

VISUAL REPRESENTATION: ("=" is the 2BEEP/SLATE sync marker)

=-------------- track 1
=-------------- track 2
=-------------- track 3
=-------------- track 4

instead of

---------=-------------- track 1
-----=----------------------- track 2
=-------------- track 3
---------------------=-------------- track 4

import midi file in cubase on mac tempo problem

Can anyone help me on this:
When I import a midifile into Cubase Vst 5 on the Macintosh, there is a problem with the speed and/or tempo. It doesn't match with the grid within cubase, so there's no possibility of editing the song. It also happens with midi files that i exported from cubase itself!

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I've just got a keyboard and I want to lay the break into wav or something useable. What do I need to get this working?

A solution almost as confusing as the problem, but it does work.

I have had similar interaction with Cubase in Cubasis VST on my old PC. I remember that to ensure a stable BPM, you must first set the BPM of the blank default arrangemnt/song to the exact BPM of the song you are about to import. After that, the grid will work.

If you can't do that, I have a technique which I use (in Logic Fun) which applies universally to such situations. I will share it with you now. The primary principle is successive approximation. I did not make up this term; it's an audio technology term that applies to how some analog to digital converters measure a voltage quickly and efficiently by optimized trial and error until the correct voltage is measured. I found a way to adapt this process to BPM gridlocking.

I am used to applying this technique to MIDI gridlocked audio tracks, so if you don't have any long audio tracks, you will have to first export the entire song to WAVE, and import it into a blank document for this.
Having a long audio file is necessary as a tempo guide because looking at the waveform and listening to it will indicate the percussive and accented sections where you can discover the rhythm, and indirectly, the BPM. It is very helpful to always keep a calculator and a stopwatch handy for such events as this.

So, like I said, if you have a MIDI-only track, export the troubled track to WAVE, and import it into a new document. Actually, you might even WANT to import it into the SAME document as a new audio track, because whatever BPM we rediscover for the jumbo audio track, we will need to apply to THIS document. OK.

Before you start, make sure that the first beat of the first rhythmic section is lined up with the first grid marking. I am referring to the first visible amplitude spike which corresponds audibly to the start of the rhythmic section. The goal is to put the first beat ON THE BEAT. This will insure that you have a reference point for correcting the BPM. You have to start somewhere. OK. Now you are ready.

First, start by entering in whatever BPM is your best guess for the song's real BPM. It's good to start guessing by using commonly used BPMs such as 80, 96, 100, 120, and 140. Many such BPMs are common because they translate into loops of integer durations (evenly divide into groups of seconds).

Next, decide if what you entered was too fast or too slow. You have a hint by looking at the gridmarkings on your arrangement. Assuming that your audio track is displaying the waveform, you can look it over for clues as to where each music loop or measure or phrase begins shortly after the very first one. I acknowledge that this could be a bit difficult if not maddening if your samples or instruments are inherently rhythmic in nature but not periodic enough to tell you the natural song BPM. This could happen if you are mixing multiple and contrasting rhythmic textures, such as 3/4 over 4/4 or 5/8 retriggered over 8/8 or something like that.

At any rate, each time you enter in a new BPM, the BPM gridlines will get smaller or larger. Faster BPMs have smaller gridline sections. Slower BPMs have longer gridline sections. If you strategically control how much you add or subtract your guessed BPM, you can successively approximate the actual BPM. Again, the visual indication of this is whatever indicates the beginning and ending of the first rhythmic phrase. Ideally, when the BPM matches the first beat of the first complete rhythmic musical phrase will start and end on a gridline marking. Each time you adjust the BPM you should notice the visual representation of the audio beat getting closer or farther away from the gridline.

Here is how to speed up the process:

0) notice the initial BPM setting (it doesn't matter that it's the wrong BPM, it's the reference point)
1) take a guess
2) look at the results
3) double your first guess or halve it
to determine if your guess is too big or two small
4) try it again: if your last guess was too big, this time add only 1/2 of your previous guess to the initial BPM. Conversely, if your last guess was too small, add 1/2 of your previous guess to the initial BPM.
5) whatever you end up with right now, unless it is obviously way too large a step in the wrong direction should be used to replace your "initial BPM" as you repeat the process.
6) repeat the steps above. You will know you are doing it correctly if you start adding and subtracting from your BPM setting in decreasing increments. This can be persued at each digit in the BPM from the 100's to the 10's to the 1's all the way through the decimal fractions. Accuracy to 3 decimal places is usually quite adequate and is extremely precise. Accuracy of the BPM to 2 decimal places. Will be good enough to get you through most of the song as long as you can perform a handful of manual edits spread out during the song. Each manual edit will be just to set the beginning of each rhythmic phrase/measure back on point.

OK. An example: Let's say the TRUE BPM of my song was 68.57142857 BPM. Sure this is way too precise for us humans, but this is how the computer would deal with 7-second long phrases or loops or measures. It might be more precise to say that the BPM is actually 34.28571429, but most BPMs in common music are between 60 BPM and 180 BPM. I just doubled the number to place it into a usuable range. This will not hurt our process.

OK. Let's pretend that I forgot that the BPM was about 68.5714, but I could remember that each loop was about 4 seconds long or 8 seconds long, depending on how I counted it. That's helpful, because that gives me a number to start guessing from, instead of any random number. The formula for a BPM is 240 divided by the length of the loop. So 240 divided by my estimate of 4 or 8 seconds yields 60 or 120 BPM. I pick whichever number sounds most natural as the starting number to guess from. That's too easy for this example, because 120 BPM divides evenly into 2 second segments. Let's not cheat in our example. Let's say instead of 8 seconds I guesstimated 6 seconds as the duration of the basic looping: 240 divided by 6 = 40. 40 is BPM is quite slow, and is the slowest some metronomes go, so I double it to 80, which is in the common range.

OK, so I type in 80 BPM as my guess (the real BPM is about 68.5714, but I don't know that yet). Now, I look at the beginning of the rhythm section (bar/measure/loop) which is lined up with the first gridline, and scan visually (and perhaps even audibly) to find the end of the first section/start of the second section. With my grid display in Bars/Beats mode, the gridlines will indicate to me that 80 BPM is too fast, because the measures will be two small. The measures are too small at 80 BPM, so the correct gridline marking for the end of the bar/measure/loop will arrive too early, and my waveform will have an extra "tail" extending too far out.

To fix this situation, I could now type in 40 BPM (one half of 80), but instinct tells me that 40 BPM is obviously either too slow, or not really a change at all. So I divide 40 in half and instead try a more modest change from my initial 80 BPM; i choose 80 - 20 = 60 BPM. OK. this is progress, because it's closer to the TRUE BPM of 68.5714, but I won't know that yet until i look at the waveform and check to see if the start of the second phrase has gotten closer to or farther away from the gridline marking for where it should be. Actually, the waveform might not change but the gridlines will. Either way, something is changing each time I enter in a new BPM, so pay attention.

OK. So I'm at 60 bpm which is still too slow, so I try 70 which is higher than 60 but lower than 80, which I already know is too fast. I am successively getting closer. At least now, I know it's between these two numbers, 60 and 80. 70 was picked almost arbitrarily; I could have tried any number greater than 60, but I don't want to keep guessing forever. Each time I guess, I'm going to take into account my previous guess results. Actually, 70 turns out to be a very good number because it's 1/2 of 20 is 10. Before, I subtracted 20 from 80 to get 60. Now I'm subtracting 10 from 80 to get 70. If I discovered that I subtracted too much, I would just half the amount I'm subtracting, or try adding half of what I subtracted. The same goes for adding.

If you follow the progression, I will end up adding and subtracting.... effectively zigzagging around the true BPM. When I start getting close to 68.5714, I will start trying numbers such as 68, 69, 68.5, 68.75, 68.6, 68.55 (in between 68.5 and 68.66), and then progress through 68.5750, 68.5700, 68.57250, 68.57125, 68.57150,... Now I know that it's between 68.57125 and 68.57150. The difference is so minute that it probably already sounds okay by now, but if I must do sample-accurate BPM matching, I could keep going, but just scanning through those last decimal place until I hit 68.5714.

This is a bit more abstract, but you might notice the pattern here to ultimately be useful even as you don't follow it exactly. The pattern is important, because it helps to show how doubling and adding in smaller and smaller amounts gets successively closer to a central number

0.000 x ? = Initial BPM
1/8 = 0.125
2/8 = 0.250 x ? = (1/2 of BPM)
3/8 = 0.375 = (.25 + .125)
4/8 = 0.5 x ? = (the true BPM)
5/8 = 0.625 = (.5 + .125)
6/8 = 0.75
7/8 = 0.875
1.0 x ? = {BPM x 2}

I'm having trouble explaining it any better than this, though. You will just have to try for yourself. it's a bit like triangulation. I hope I haven't just driven you more nuts with my explanation.

Real player to MP3

How to convert real player audio files to MP3 audio files

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: How to convert real player audio files to MP3 audio files

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Re: Real player to MP3

Go to Yahoo, type in "real audio to MP3". There are 343 web page matches. I think at least one of these should answer your question.

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Wacky inspiration for your wacky new songs. Also, a real vocal-

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Wow, I did an advanced keyword search for "Macintorque" on Google and discovered somebody making a death threat to Macintorque jokingly in passing. I wonder what that's all about. Jihad already?.

On another note, I wonder why in all of this discussion about "homeland security" and "axis of evil/weapons of mass destruction/threat" we never hear about the guys at the top of the information food chain? I mean, we get crumbs of info about the FBI, CIA, and now NSA. The U.S. news coverage of international politics and espionage is so primitive if not merely rigged in every manner (besides just for profit).

In my general purpose to enlighten all of you with my esoteric knowledge, i give you <A HREF="http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm">Echelon</A>. Good fodder for future song lyrics and of course steganographical compositions to test the system which tests us all.

QUOTE:
<b>#25 ACAD2A::AXSLK

From: Shane Kingry - CaTS Consultant

the best way to accelerate a mac is 9.8 m/s^2 yup yup, most deffinetly

-- R: Damn straight! Death to Macintorque!
</b>

That's so mean! But i like the math component.
The best way to accelerate a sample is 2^(1/12), yup yup, most definately.

<A HREF="http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/wwwboard/messages/116739.html">Please read this significant message of mine which I hope is of some literal or figurative value to you</A>

<A HREF="http://webdev.archive.org/">Tracking everyone on the internet might not be so hard after all! I mean, we CAN record the entire internet already, and have been for over 5 years!</A>

<A HREF="http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/991101-voice1.htm">Too bad we can't use this to learn the lyrics of our favorite unintelligeable recording artists!!! I tell you, our pre-fascist government is acquiring all of the best new toys! First they get vocoders, and now this!</A>

Re: Wacky inspiration for your wacky new songs. Also, a real vo

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: <IMG SRC="http://involution.org/images/copywrong.jpg">

: Wow, I did an advanced keyword search for "Macintorque" on Google and discovered somebody making a death threat to Macintorque jokingly in passing. I wonder what that's all about. Jihad already?.

: On another note, I wonder why in all of this discussion about "homeland security" and "axis of evil/weapons of mass destruction/threat" we never hear about the guys at the top of the information food chain? I mean, we get crumbs of info about the FBI, CIA, and now NSA. The U.S. news coverage of international politics and espionage is so primitive if not merely rigged in every manner (besides just for profit).

: In my general purpose to enlighten all of you with my esoteric knowledge, i give you <A HREF="http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm">Echelon</A>. Good fodder for future song lyrics and of course steganographical compositions to test the system which tests us all.

: QUOTE:
: <b>#25 ACAD2A::AXSLK

: From: Shane Kingry - CaTS Consultant

: the best way to accelerate a mac is 9.8 m/s^2 yup yup, most deffinetly

: -- R: Damn straight! Death to Macintorque!
: </b>

: That's so mean! But i like the math component.
: The best way to accelerate a sample is 2^(1/12), yup yup, most definately.

: <A HREF="http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/wwwboard/messages/116739.html">Please read this significant message of mine which I hope is of some literal or figurative value to you</A>

:
: <A HREF="http://webdev.archive.org/">Tracking everyone on the internet might not be so hard after all! I mean, we CAN record the entire internet already, and have been for over 5 years!</A>

: <A HREF="http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/991101-voice1.htm">Too bad we can't use this to learn the lyrics of our favorite unintelligeable recording artists!!! I tell you, our pre-fascist government is acquiring all of the best new toys! First they get vocoders, and now this!</A>

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the truth is in here

It makes sense to me; he said, "hi".

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: It makes sense to me; he said, "hi".

which can mean several things but nothing in particular. you must know this person to understand them so well.

multilinear parallel ambiguous anonymous communication

*LOL*

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: *LOL*

Yes, I like big words too.. ;P

Any Help

does anyone out there know of a program available that can convert mp3 or wma files to nokia's sp midi format for polyphonic ringtones??

Re: Any Help

Converting WAV/MP3, or any other "mixed" format into MIDI is extremely difficult to say the least. When you have more than one instrument playing together, extracting the required information (e.g. what instrument is playing which note, how long the note lasts and so on), there is considerable overlap, and at the moment it is impossible to do this with anything approaching 100% accuracy.

There are some programs which can cope with relatively simple tracks (i.e single instruments), but your best hope is to find a MIDI version of the track you're after.

As for converting in to your phone, this is a bit outside this forum.

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